Bruckner

[JANDL100]

Tintner on Naxos is good for the 00 Study symphony.

 

[josh]

Tintner on Naxos is good for the 00 Study symphony.

That was nice, I realised I'd heard it before. The piece felt to me like it belonged more in the Classical than Romantic period though?

Also heard 0 and parts of 1 with Venzago. Also nice though preferred 00 to 0. Don't think I'd come back to either too often though, except as a nice palate cleanser between something meatier

#1 also sounded pretty similar to 0 - both felt a little bit aimless to me.

Right, now for Celibidache for #5 and #9 before I conclude the Bruckner chapter for now

 

[Camverton]

I’m not a fan of no.1, too darn noisy, and the slow movement rather confused and aimless. Then I heard Barenboim and the way he conducts the slow movement it goes from aimless to making beautiful sense. I’m still not keen on the other movements so tend to listen to just the slow movement these days.

 

[JANDL100]

I’m not a fan of no.1, too darn noisy, and the slow movement rather confused and aimless. Then I heard Barenboim and the way he conducts the slow movement it goes from aimless to making beautiful sense. I’m still not keen on the other movements so tend to listen to just the slow movement these days.

I agree (!), the 1st is the lemon of the 11 imo.

Must admit I love the 6th and the 3rd and the 2nd, as well as the rest.

And I have a fondness for 00 and 0, whatever classical/romantic label you wish to attach to them.
There's an old Melodiya double CD of them conducted by Rozhdestvensky. Not available streamed afaik. Definitely get hold of that if you can, it's a corker.

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FYI, the 1st was actually composed after the 2nd, I guess it was published before the 2nd.

 

[josh]

Then I heard Barenboim

Thanks, will try that out. Funnily I think I saw Jerry liked it too somewhere. You both agree here too! I'm glad to have helped find the Bridge in Bruckner

There's an old Melodiya double CD of them conducted by Rozhdestvensky. Not available streamed afaik. Definitely get hold of that if you can, it's a corker.

Thanks will try find it.

Re the 00 - I wasn't really trying to attach a label, I was just interested by the fact it sounded quite different (more formal?) to his other pieces.

and the 2nd,

Uh oh... you know what I'm going to ask now... don't think I've come across you mentioning it before (in fact I think you've lumped it in with the 1st previously).

 

[JANDL100]

The 2nd.
Yes, it's a fairly recent favourite of mine.

Muti started me on the path to appreciating its greatness, iirc.
Then I listened to Solti and became convinced.

 

[josh]

The 2nd.
Yes, it's a fairly recent favourite of mine.

Muti started me on the path to appreciating its greatness, iirc.
Then I listened to Solti and became convinced.

It's really nice, glad you mentioned it, as I was definitely going to skip it. It's much better than the 1st. Interesting that it was actually his first piece (excl 0/00) and he sort of took a step back.

 

[musicbox]

Have never managed to get the 2nd. Nor the 8th really, despite its obvious grandness, it somehow does not seem sincere like the others.

Listening to Bernstein's VPO 9th at the moment. first two movements are mince, tempos all over the place. But in third movement, wow it all comes together to create magic.

 

[josh]

Nor the 8th really, despite its obvious grandness, it somehow does not seem sincere like the others.

I hear that, it did seem quite different to his other symphonies and perhaps like he was trying to do a Mahler or something. That said, I still quite liked it, although I don't think I could listen to it all that often.

 

[Camverton]

I had a listen to Celibidache conducting no.9 this afternoon. It was very good and very powerful. Odd thing is that whilst with Klemperer I feel as though I become a part of the music, with Celi it as was as though I was a bystander thinking “he does that well”, “goodness that’s powerful”. I need to give it another listen in a few weeks.

 

[josh]

Ok finally Celi for #5 and #9.

I heard these live versions (the only other version to his DG recordings): #5, #9

I have to say I wasn't a huge fan of #5. It felt a little too slow and laboured for me, although I'd be interested in hearing the piece again with Sawallisch as it's been a while. (distressingly you can't seem to get his recording of the 5th on CD anymore. Looks like the 9th is going out of stock too so I'll get that while I can).

The 9th was better. I see what @JANDL100 means when he says one needs to have a good understanding of the pieces first before coming to Celi's take. Not that I feel I have in any way a good understanding of the 9th, but I've heard it a number of times with different conductors and I think if I'd heard this version first I wouldn't have been so enamoured with it. I still think I prefer Sawallisch or Giulini (my current favs) but it's a good alternative.

 

[Owl]

I listened to Tintner’s take on the 7th. I can hear what everyone has been raving about. It’s not as forceful and brooding as Haitink’s take. It has a more ethereal almost spiritual feel to it. It really made my evening last night.