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3 hours ago, Timbo21 said:

One studio I worked at they started up a classical editing wing. Classical engineers have to be able to read the score. Anyway, the classical boys are very serious about their recordings using only a handful of mics in various acoustic places, such as churches and abbeys (not studios). When you're talking the likes of Scottish Chamber Orchestra et al, I feel confident in saying there are no VST plugins anywhere near those recordings.

As at no point did I say all studios use VST instruments... I said a lot of studios. ;)

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The best thing you can have is a good sounding room.And they come in all shapes,sizes and constructions.

In my house the technically good room as regards dimensions sounds terrible and one with lots of reflective surfaces [a big angled bay window and polished timber floors] sounds really good.

I tend to agree that bigger speakers sound best.Especially wider baffled ones.They bring an ease of delivery that allows you to relax and enjoy the music.Smaller speakers can sound good but there is always a sense of strain.

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5 hours ago, Nativebon said:

Of course many recordings do not include VST instruments, however that does not remove from the fact that many classical and Jazz music does include VST instruments. If you only listen to albums recorded earlier than the late 80s, then most likely no included VST instruments  in the recordings. 

Possibly on jazz but definitely not on classical recordings (except perhaps a couple of contemporary stuff).

What is the point of VST instruments on classical music when the sound of the instrument and of the player is almost as important as the music itself?

It doesn't make sense. Have you ever listened to live classical music?

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I would be extremely surprised to find any VST instruments on any classical recording, or on the vast majority of jazz for that matter. However, VST processing certainly might be used. VST does not have to be simply synthesized instruments, it can be used to add slight effects (reverb and phase). In this way, it's doing exactly what it actually means (virtual studio technology) and simply adding in software what might otherwise have been done in studio hardware.

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VST instruments are used as actual musical instruments to compliment or use in association with real instruments when finishing the final recordings in the studio. 

These are actually the real sounds of musical instruments which take months in some cases years to sample, from different styles of playing an instrument to dynamic ranges to different velocities.

These real instrument sounds are triggered by a MIDI keyboard which in turn produces the sound on the chosen DAW to capture the sound. Point of correct, VST plugins ( to add effects) are not the same as VSTi instruments.  

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I don't have any rules. Does that make me a bad person?

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I am aware that a replacement organ (in Aussieland?) had electronic bass pipes as they could not afford to replace the original huge pipes. Can't remeber if they were originally 32'.

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Just now, Aristillus said:

I don't have any rules. Does that make me a bad person?

Yes, but we forgive you ;)

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Thank you George.

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1 hour ago, George 47 said:

I am aware that a replacement organ (in Aussieland?) had electronic bass pipes as they could not afford to replace the original huge pipes. Can't remeber if they were originally 32'.

Surely that organ is no longer used for classical music recordings, if it ever was.

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On 23/01/2020 at 18:46, Nativebon said:

As at no point did I say all studios use VST instruments... I said a lot of studios. ;)

I know, but you referenced classical music. That’s what I was specifically talking about

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9 minutes ago, Timbo21 said:

I know, but you referenced classical music. That’s what I was specifically talking about

Yes  also used in classical music, (used in conjunction with) especially for the percussion sessions.

https://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/komplete/cinematic/symphony-series-collection/

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52 minutes ago, Nativebon said:

Yes  also used in classical music, (used in conjunction with) especially for the percussion sessions.

https://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/komplete/cinematic/symphony-series-collection/

I thought this was a link to a classical music record label that used fake instruments.

They may be used for film soundtracks, or orchestral background for pop/rock/light music (hiring an orchestra e very expensive). Not for classical.

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1 hour ago, Nativebon said:

Yes  also used in classical music, (used in conjunction with) especially for the percussion sessions.

https://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/komplete/cinematic/symphony-series-collection/

I know Native Instruments stuff very well. I've used a lot of their stuff.

As Tuga says, may be used for film soundtracks, etc., but not your proper classical recordings.

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If a system in your own Den makes you happy, feel excited to rediscover your music collection, can handle all the genres of music you listen to and most importantly makes you fall on your knees and in a spurt of irrational behaviour make you perform air guitar then your journey into HiFi is over and your journey into music has a new kick start.  If you begin to hear bass booming in your room or your entire midrange is missing that's like going to hospital and good luck with the cures.

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