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CD Alive and Well?

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If playing CDs  does indeed become a niche activity , then I wouldn't be at all surprised to see the CD being relaunched as the 'new vinyl' a decade down the road.        

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38 minutes ago, PuritéAudio said:

CD and a lossless ripped version of that cd are identical and played through the same dac will of course sound  identical.

Keith

Agreed that the files might be the same but the delivery mechanism leaves open a host of different RF and other noise artifacts to get overlaid on the digital signal and hence into the analogue stage of the DAC. That is why CD can sometimes sound better than a ripped file.

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1 minute ago, Fourlegs said:

Agreed that the files might be the same but the delivery mechanism leaves open a host of different RF and other noise artifacts to get overlaid on the digital signal and hence into the analogue stage of the DAC. That is why CD can sometimes sound better than a ripped file.

Utter cobblers as usual from the Foo dealer.

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10 minutes ago, Muckplaster said:

Utter cobblers as usual from the Foo dealer.

Is that your best effort at posting something that contributes to the discussion?

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21 minutes ago, Fourlegs said:

Agreed that the files might be the same but the delivery mechanism leaves open a host of different RF and other noise artifacts to get overlaid on the digital signal and hence into the analogue stage of the DAC. That is why CD can sometimes sound better than a ripped file.

Yes, there are many variables in play

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4 hours ago, BeeRay said:

Some albums are not available on cd now, it is cheaper for artists not to produce them, with cd sales plummeting I see this trend continuing, cd sales in the USA are now about 10% of 2004 figure. I see hi res downloads replacing cd for HiFi users. Costs can be lower as no postage or tax if importing. Having said that there is a huge used cd market.

I think in general it is those bands who will not sell any volume that end up only being available on streaming or download.  Similarly when a CD has run its course and sales are on the decline (a month or two after release for some bands or less) when the production run is sold there is no business case for making another batch of CDs .. this was also true for vinyl with the disadvantage you could not download it but what is interesting is 40 years later when there is a cult following blow me down the vinyl and for the first time CDs are available (again for a limited run) as happened when I replaced my two Hunter Muskett CDs (and the vinyl too on 180 gram).   This is the second of their two original albums in the 70s

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3 hours ago, PuritéAudio said:

CD and a lossless ripped version of that cd are identical and played through the same dac will of course sound  identical.

Keith

Of course! Why didn’t anyone else think of this? It might even be possible to come up with some measurements which would prove this is the case!

I don’t suppose you know of any dealers who specialise in non-CD digital playback, do you? You know, to avoid the risk of being distracted by shiny things going round. Thanks.

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Obvious isn’t it , and so easy to prove, take a cd transport I used a Tascam pro unit which had AES output and then compared the Cd transport and the very same  Cd losslessly ripped through the same dac, 

Keith

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2 hours ago, Muckplaster said:

Utter cobblers as usual from the Foo dealer.

Sorry, can you just unpack this for me a little? Your striving for brevity is commendable but I’m not sure whether your main criticism is the post would have been utter bollocks whoever wrote it, but you thought you might as well throw in an ad hominem attack. Or whether your main concern is that dealers all sell foo and shouldn’t have the temerity to post on forums. Or something else. Thanks petal.

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Of course, it is easy and when done you find they do NOT sound the same.

The obvious conclusion, use the system for what it was designed to do,  listen to the music. If it sounds better through the CD player then it is. Hopefully, your system was not designed to show pretty graphs and such like but was designed to sound like music.  Graphs are for designers and builders and geeks.

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3 minutes ago, George 47 said:

Of course, it is easy and when done you find they do NOT sound the same.

The obvious conclusion, use the system for what it was designed to do,  listen to the music. If it sounds better through the CD player then it is. Hopefully, your system was not designed to show pretty graphs and such like but was designed to sound like music.  Graphs are for designers and builders and geeks.

With respect, George, you’re missing the point and, if I may say so, not for the first time... 😏

If you can hear a difference but can’t measure any difference, it’s not that measurements aren’t measuring what’s important it’s that you’re fooling yourself. 

If you can hear a difference and can measure that difference, it proves that measurements work.

The point of hifi is not to lovingly and subjectively assemble a system which you think gives you listening pleasure; it is to dispassionately assemble a system of components which measure superbly, and then you won’t just think, you will know it sounds great. So will others who haven’t ever heard it. And you’ll have a robust evidence base to support your choices if challenged. What’s not to like?

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3 minutes ago, George 47 said:

Of course, it is easy and when done you find they do NOT sound the same.

The obvious conclusion, use the system for what it was designed to do,  listen to the music. If it sounds better through the CD player then it is. Hopefully, your system was not designed to show pretty graphs and such like but was designed to sound like music.  Graphs are for designers and builders and geeks.

With respect, George, you’re missing the point and, if I may say so, not for the first time... 😏

If you can hear a difference but can’t measure any difference, it’s not that measurements aren’t measuring what’s important it’s that you’re fooling yourself. 

If you can hear a difference and can measure that difference, it proves that measurements work.

The point of hifi is not to lovingly and subjectively assemble a system which you think gives you listening pleasure; it is to dispassionately assemble a system of components which measure superbly, and then you won’t just think, you will know it sounds great. So will others who haven’t ever heard it. And you’ll have a robust evidence base to support your choices if challenged. What’s not to like?

Head over heart every time, dear boy; head over heart.

This has been a public service broadcast. Thanks for listening. Please press 1 to participate in a short customer satisfaction survey.

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As I said in a post last week, I thought that the general populous were ditching cd, so I’d pick up a great used player for tuppence- nooooooooo! Every bugger wants actual money.............

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9 hours ago, Fourlegs said:

There is still an argument that a low noise CDP can beat streaming (both internet and ripped variety) for sound quality.

No argument with that here. The file-based stuff is getting better, as more understanding is gained of the problems anything involving a 'computer' brings to the table.

Redbook CD still remains my reference.

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