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 Pylon Audio S.A. (which stands for ‘Inc.' in Polish) is a very young company, started in 2011. Yet straight from the beginning, even before the formal registration procedure was completed, they had one product ready for manufacturing, the Pylon Pearl loudspeakers which I received for a review. What you need to know is that the know-how and the people involved in Pylon Audio are not newcomers to the audio market. Pylon has its roots in another Polish company, namely Tonsil. Tonsil was established in the town of Wrzesnia (Poland) in 1945 on the initiative of the Polish Radio, to serve as a technical background for broadcasting stations. Between 1973 and 1974 Tonsil manufactured speaker drivers on license from Peerless-MB and Pioneer, used in loudspeaker designs from these two Japanese companies as well as others, all over the world.

After a democratic transition in Poland in 1989, when People's Republic of Poland changed into Republic of Poland and centrally planned economy gave way for free market, Tonsil was initially doing quite well. In addition to its core business, i.e. manufacturing of speaker drivers, the company manufactured speaker cabinets for many British companies, such as Wharfedale and Tannoy, as well as whole loudspeakers, mostly less expensive models of these and other companies. Tonsil was the largest manufacturer of drivers and speakers in Europe, boasting one of the largest (if not the largest) anechoic testing chamber in this part of the world, as well as a team of specialist and engineers. However, it could not withstand growing competition from the Far East manufacturers and was divided into separate, smaller companies. At this moment Tonsil remains in suspension – its bankruptcy was declared in 2004. Nevertheless, its daughter companies have been doing much better.

Wojciech Pacuła

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Yes read up on the history too, lots of experienced skill in the factory now. They still manufacture cabinets in very high quality for some of the biggest companies, and are at this time designing their own drivers as well as using quality ones from seas scanspeak and visitron Germany. 

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3 hours ago, falcoron said:

Yes read up on the history too, lots of experienced skill in the factory now. They still manufacture cabinets in very high quality for some of the biggest companies, and are at this time designing their own drivers as well as using quality ones from seas scanspeak and visitron Germany. 

All interesting and reassuring stuff, but you wouldn’t really buy a pair of speakers based on this, would you, without having actually heard them?

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Yes I’ve done it lots of times and always done my homework first usually owners reviews are a wealth of info regarding sound quality. ;)

As stated this is not everyone’s way but I’ve bought 90% like this and 85% has been really good. Of all auditioned stuff I liked in a shop only about 5% was actually bought 

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On 30/12/2018 at 11:29, falcoron said:

After getting utterly fed up with upgrading with little reward once you hit a high spend area I’ve sold most of my hi end system ( Luxman mq88 valve amp and odeon speakers) 

2 hours ago, falcoron said:

Yes I’ve done it lots of times and always done my homework first usually owners reviews are a wealth of info regarding sound quality. ;)

As stated this is not everyone’s way but I’ve bought 90% like this and 85% has been really good. Of all auditioned stuff I liked in a shop only about 5% was actually bought 

Well I think these two facts are highly likely to be related. Your call, your money, but this is far from a proven route to sonic nirvana.

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Nothing is really, don’t let it annoy you! Lol!

true I have been fed up “recently”’going to higher end kit, but have been “mostly” very happy with my choices over the years with or without audition. 

My last 2 set up’s have been big spends with very little reward but with these components, (all of which I did audition) I was initially impressed  but longer  ( 6 months) living with them ive become underwhelmed. So auditioning is not always foolproof by any means.

I’ve sold my high end amp and high end speakers. I’ve banked half of the money and will spend the other half on a system that won’t be high end per say, but I bet with a bit of effort, research and knowing my tastes I can better what I had before. To my ears anyway which to me is all that matters.

Anyhoo! I’m down to 3 options for speaker now as I’ve bought an Amp I’m over the moon with. Was sold to me blind and I have the option of full refund fir 30 days but im really sure it’s staying!

thanks fir the input appreciate it.

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3 hours ago, falcoron said:

Nothing is really, don’t let it annoy you! Lol!

true I have been fed up “recently”’going to higher end kit, but have been “mostly” very happy with my choices over the years with or without audition. 

My last 2 set up’s have been big spends with very little reward but with these components, (all of which I did audition) I was initially impressed  but longer  ( 6 months) living with them ive become underwhelmed. So auditioning is not always foolproof by any means.

I’ve sold my high end amp and high end speakers. I’ve banked half of the money and will spend the other half on a system that won’t be high end per say, but I bet with a bit of effort, research and knowing my tastes I can better what I had before. To my ears anyway which to me is all that matters.

Anyhoo! I’m down to 3 options for speaker now as I’ve bought an Amp I’m over the moon with. Was sold to me blind and I have the option of full refund fir 30 days but im really sure it’s staying!

thanks fir the input appreciate it.

Absolutely agree re auditioning, flawed in many respects, I just think that generally it is not as flawed as buying blind (or should I say deaf) because of one important factor: however unreliable, one's actual ears are involved.

Confesssion time: I'm ridiculously brand loyal, not because I've played the field and decided Brand X is les bolleaux du chien but because I started with brand X somehow or other and by going upstream within that brand I've generally been pleased with each step. Arcam for source/amps, Sony for AV, ProAc for speakers, though the latter has been my greatest cause of missteps as, like you, I've discovered that initially impressive does not always equate to long term engaging. But on the whole it has worked. I bought my Arcam A49 two years ago "blind" based on 25 year of Arcam ownership and some stellar reviews but this was my biggest pay-off yet: I wasn't prepared for just how much better than my previous Arcam kit the A49 would be. Crikey, if I went active ATC in both y systems I wouldn't let the A49 go...

What I personally wouldn't do is to buy new brands on reviews. If I'd done so from day 1, I'd have bought some budget Quad floorstander rather than the ProAc Studio 125 the guy in Leicester Hifi persuaded me to compare with those for a mere £100 more: wiped the floor with the Quads.

So remind me/us: what't the amp which is making you smile, what speakers is it currently doing so via, and what are the shortlisted three?

All the best,

Nigel

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29 minutes ago, TheFlash said:

What I personally wouldn't do is to buy new brands on reviews. If I'd done so from day 1, I'd have bought some budget Quad floorstander rather than the ProAc Studio 125 the guy in Leicester Hifi persuaded me to compare with those for a mere £100 more: wiped the floor with the Quads.

The difference is Nigel you trusted your ears .. he just got you to listen and be honest we do not take much persuading to listen to make a judgement.

When I was selling the stuff I would do the same when someone asked for what the reviewers were raving over, if there was a better option.  The amazing thing is how on dem the buyer actually preferred the sound of the alternative but ended up buying the reviewers' five star product rather than trust their own ears.

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Nothing wrong with brand loyalties if been an avid fan of Arcam in the past, my brother and my mate still own the CD players I sold them once I moved on! a cd72 and a FMJ 23 Both still playing flawlessly after all these years. Had a few Arcam amps too. As for AV I just don’t have or will ever have so cannot comment.

My affair with Proac was really frustrating I actually have a dealer close by and have auditioned and adored them in the past only to be really disappointed a few months down the road, not really bad just em...Meh! So have never returned to them, I loved spendor for a time too when i had a real love for Copland amps and CD players match was perfect for me and lasted quite a while!

i then went valve and have had lots from audion, audio note, Hovland, Graaf, Art, SJS etc.etc. Last one was a Luxman MQ88, lovely amp but didn’t match the 300b SJS amp Simon made for me and the only piece  I really regret selling, can’t for the life of me understand what I was thinking! Really sad about that!

Speakers?what  ive had and listened to would take all night to go through! I used to buy and sell speakers and make a few quid doing so, so had a great deal come and go and I got a real good feeling for marques and how they sounded, alas that’s hard to do nowadays, of all I had through here I really liked these, PMC, Spendor, Audiovector, Living  Voice, Vandersteen and  Audionote ( in the right system) my last pair (recently sold) was a really nice pair of odeon Rigolleto which had one of the best sounding treble I’ve ever heard, superbly detailed sound with cracking see through sound stage but lacked bass, I added 2 small active subs and an antimode as compensation and that worked really well, but in a living room was a bit cluttered looking so sold the odeon’s and  am now selling the subs and antimode here in the classifieds.

what got me rethinking all this was my brother did the same thing, he sold all his really expensive kit bar his old  FMJ and he bought a used tube tech unisis  amp for under £700 and a pair of Q acoustic floor standers at around £500. Seriously in his room ( purpose built hi fi room) it sounds bloody amazing! Much better than the prices should do, especially the speakers, I did try these in my room and they are really good fir the money but in my room the bass was not so good so sounded a bit disjointed even with my brothers amp or mine in play.

so Luxman amp and odeon speakers sold and putting away half the money into our new boat fund ( sold our boat last year now looking a newer one)

so dealer in Belgium wanted my Luxman amp and offered me a brand new Perreaux 80i mosfet amp and good cash my way so as the perreaux is nearly £3k and I got a wod of cash with it I did the deal on the caveat I could return if I didn’t like it. Have to say I’m really enjoying it, it’s as sweet as a nut! Slight warmth to it which I like and nice power delivery, has all the connections for future proofing comes complete with a phono stage and a decent DAC too, although I’ve kept my high end digital front end so don’t need that. But I’m really happy with this amp, I heard it with the rigolleto’s and It made a nice difference on those too, but as they are now gone I’m using my stand by speakers I made a while back, frugal horn  XL which for very little spend and effort are fabulous wee speakers that have served me well over the years in my main system, in between  changes and in a second system in a gym room I built the Mrs. 

The 3 short listed are;

1, pylon sapphire 31 (£1000) I just think the quality parts list, build quality and awards these have won over the years is impressive and has me really interested. 

2, Tannoy XT8F ( £1399 usually but audio affair has clearance at under £1k)

3, Sonus Faber chameleon or veneer 2.5  ( used) I like SF speakers owned a couple and heard a lot! They have a house sound and I’ve never heard a bad pair yet! 

Cheers

Ron

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31 minutes ago, uzzy said:

The difference is Nigel you trusted your ears .. he just got you to listen and be honest we do not take much persuading to listen to make a judgement.

When I was selling the stuff I would do the same when someone asked for what the reviewers were raving over, if there was a better option.  The amazing thing is how on dem the buyer actually preferred the sound of the alternative but ended up buying the reviewers' five star product rather than trust their own ears.

As I’ve said I don’t really go by magazine reviews but rather talk to or read actual owners reviews on forums etc. I do read magazines from time to time but usually just out of curiosity of what’s new, let’s face it the rate of change over the past few years is staggering especially to the older community lol!

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17 hours ago, falcoron said:

a cd72 and a FMJ 23 Both still playing flawlessly after all these years

Just don't do anything rash and get rid of the CD23!

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Got rid of years ago lol!

to my brother ( read my reply to you) and the 72 to my mate. Both great players and I enjoyed both in there time with me.

No CD players now, I’ve all my 2500+ cds downloaded in lossless flac to hard drives and backed up, I stream from my computer nas storage and use roon , my Dac is the Sublime SOTM sd1000ex fed by the equally superb ultra 200 streamer/ renderer from the same marque.

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53 minutes ago, falcoron said:

Got rid of years ago lol!

to my brother ( read my reply to you) and the 72 to my mate. Both great players and I enjoyed both in there time with me.

No CD players now, I’ve all my 2500+ cds downloaded in lossless flac to hard drives and backed up, I stream from my computer nas storage and use roon , my Dac is the Sublime SOTM sd1000ex fed by the equally superb ultra 200 streamer/ renderer from the same marque.

Well just ensure he keeps it in the family... or gives it to me because I'm your bestest friend ever.

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Ha Ha! He would never part with any of his kit now, never seen him so content and he had some of the so called best for years. 

You can have first refusal though 

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Well plunge finally taken after much reading debating and talking to the manufacturers I ordered a pair of Pylon sapphire 31 speakers in hi gloss white. 2 weeks later and with regular updates though the probuction line to paint shop to testing and great tracking info they arrived last after 2 weeks. 

Now when I say I’m impressed with the fit and finish in really gob snacked how good these are and the finish would grace any Rolls Royce! 

Beautiful full deep very high gloss white paintwork, drivers fit is second to non and even down to the optional felt bottom speaker feet all exude quality of the highest order. The manufacturers told me that run in is not nessesary and these will sound great from the box so  feet fitted and set in place with laser measurements to get perfect rear and side wall distances, laser the toe in to hit my listening position and select play,   Straight from the off these are very good indeed, now I’ve had valve amps for 30 years but after  selling the Luxman and the odeon rigolleto speakers I got a brand new perreaux 80i mosfet amp witch is really nice wee amp, slight warmth and good power, the 2 seem to match really well together no nasty ness at all, treble is a seas unit and really detailed and smooth the scanspeak mid driver is also detailed and smooth with great bass down to a claimed 36hz the whole package just works beautifully I can’t get over how good these speakers are for under a grand, Seriously!

Covers have magnets so no ugly holes to mar the lovely front baffle.

ive been playing seriously all weekend and biy can these rock! Detail is superb and separation and soundstage are impressive, no boxy sound just a really nice speaker all round, I would have these over some I’ve had in the past that cost 5 or 6 times the price. Must get a valve amp on the end to see how that sounds too. 

But really over the moon!

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