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B&W 683s2 upgrade to B&W 603

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Hi all,

A minefield I'm sure but has anyone gone this route? I like the front ported nature of my 683s2 but I am tempted to change to the 603's 

Anyone have any thoughts or advice?

Thank you

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I had 683 S2s, bought new in August 16, and to be honest with hindsight almost anything will be an upgrade, they basically "honked at me" it wasn't until I heard other unknown to me makes (at bake-offs that I realised how bad they were. I know sound preferences are user specific but if I were you I would get myself to a few back offs & dealers to hear what else is out there. 

I am sure, buying secondhand you would be able to get a real stonker of a speaker for your budget or less. 

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2 hours ago, Bolddoggie said:

Hi all,

A minefield I'm sure but has anyone gone this route? I like the front ported nature of my 683s2 but I am tempted to change to the 603's 

Anyone have any thoughts or advice?

Thank you

it really depends on your budget.  I have heard quite a few speakers the last six months, and while I initially thought the B&W range 683 and 703 sounded decent they pale in comparison to many lesser known brands, or even the KEF R series which has been newly updated. I found the B&W's to have a warm, rich, bass laden sound that is initially quite likeable until you start doing some side by side comparisons. For floorstanders, I'd be on the lookout for Spendor, ATC, Dynaudio and Q Acoustics.

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The answer as always is get to listen too as many loudspeakers in your budget as possible.  Contact local Wammers to go and listen to theirs, go to bake offs, be a nuisance at dealers and go listen.

Arm yourself with your favourite music (the stuff you listen to all the time) that you feel is recorded well (not just a wall of sound)  .. also take some renowned recordings (if you can find them in your genre of music ..  but I use recordings of Rachmaninov vespers, Nigel Kennedy 4 Seasons, Dire Straits Live, James Taylor October Road, John Martyn Solid Air, Supertramp Crime of the Century and Grusin plays Gershwin and Jeff Beck's Emotion and Commotion to name a few).

When you have found the ones that tickle your fancy the next stage is to get to listen to them at home and make a choice ..  the only thing is the 802s cost over £1200 new - which means if that is your budget some serious second hand bargains can be had for the same money or less.  The advantage second hand is if you like them at other peoples' houses and at bakeoffs then provided you buy something for the right price you can always move it on for the same (or very little loss) so in those circumstances they are worth a punt.  Below is a sample of speakers under £1200 on ebay .. they are not my recommendation just a list to give you a flavour - your ears and how they sound to you is what matters  .. I got bored when I got down to £700 but if you keep going there are some serious bargains out there so you need to check right down to £200 or £300 ... You will pick up a pair of Celestion Ditton 44s for that kind of money that will show a clean pair of heals to many modern loudspeakers costing up to £2k and more. 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PMC-FB1-Transmission-Line-Floorstanding-Loud-Speakers-Cherry-Finish/192708090987?hash=item2cde4c1c6b:g:yzoAAOSwi-dbzfCp:rk:3:pf:0  these are under £700 and some are asking over a grand

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/QUAD-ESL988-ESL-speakers-988-Electrostatic-speakers/113352674214?hash=item1a64588ba6:g:WQIAAOSwsO5b4MCo  or https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Martin-Logan-CLS-electrostatic-SPEAKERS/253779651462?hash=item3b16722b86:g:9b4AAOSw~y9ZC1wY but perhaps  not for you if you have a small room and like to play drum and bass

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Revel-F30-Speaker-Loudspeaker/332847105495?hash=item4d7f3bc5d7:g:LsgAAOSw6gdb3Dvx

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Wilson-Benesch-Actor-Speakers/263645121235?hash=item3d62794ad3:g:NYkAAOSwydpa5ao5

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DYNAUDIO-EMIT-M30-SPEAKERS-12-month-warranty-WORLDWIDE-SHIPPING/292583381146?hash=item441f54189a:g:M6QAAOSw9tJab2rM

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Spendor-A5R-Floorstanding-Speaker-Dark-Walnut/112874484807?hash=item1a47d7f447:g:LrAAAOSw9iNan-IU

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Proac-Loudspeakers-Response-2-5/153250474200?hash=item23ae70a8d8:g:sTIAAOSwmBhb4w5O

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Spendor-D7-Loudspeakers-in-Spendor-Dark-special-finish/192716976857?hash=item2cded3b2d9:g:5UMAAOSwGoBb5GIH

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/KEF-R500-Loudspeakers-Pre-owned/264032928611?hash=item3d7996c363:g:g6MAAOSwl5Jb5rmI

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5 hours ago, Lurch said:

I had 683 S2s, bought new in August 16, and to be honest with hindsight almost anything will be an upgrade, they basically "honked at me" it wasn't until I heard other unknown to me makes (at bake-offs that I realised how bad they were. I know sound preferences are user specific but if I were you I would get myself to a few back offs & dealers to hear what else is out there. 

I am sure, buying secondhand you would be able to get a real stonker of a speaker for your budget or less. 

Hi there,

Thank you for taking the time  to reply to me. I love this idea of the bake off! What a great way to meet with like minded individuals. I'll have to see if there are any wammers in Dublin/Leinster to bake with.. 

I have to admit I've always been a bit of a B&W fan having gone through many varietals of their loudspeakers. Lately I am finding my set up a bit harsh, although with a few glasses of wine and the trajectory of the volume in an upward direction things improve a great deal. 

I have recently stumbled across quadral speakers at a dealer in South Dublin and they really appealed but sadly I'm nearly afraid to move away from B&W and just trust my ears. Second guessing myself all the way. The safe option I guess is to stick with what I know. They do stock spendor, sonus Faber,  harbeth amongst others so maybe I'll stick my neck out a bit..

Cheers 

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5 hours ago, Lurch said:

they basically "honked at me"

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If the dealer is prepared to let you have a home demo of a pair or two, once you've whittled down a shortlist at his showroom then all should be good. Getting new speakers in your room with your system means it's not a gamble but an educated choice. 

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5 hours ago, ChemMan said:

it really depends on your budget.  I have heard quite a few speakers the last six months, and while I initially thought the B&W range 683 and 703 sounded decent they pale in comparison to many lesser known brands, or even the KEF R series which has been newly updated. I found the B&W's to have a warm, rich, bass laden sound that is initially quite likeable until you start doing some side by side comparisons. For floorstanders, I'd be on the lookout for Spendor, ATC, Dynaudio and Q Acoustics.

Thank you for your reply.. all excellent suggestions. I'm thinking home demo is the way for me!!

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3 hours ago, uzzy said:

The answer as always is get to listen too as many loudspeakers in your budget as possible.  Contact local Wammers to go and listen to theirs, go to bake offs, be a nuisance at dealers and go listen.

Arm yourself with your favourite music (the stuff you listen to all the time) that you feel is recorded well (not just a wall of sound)  .. also take some renowned recordings (if you can find them in your genre of music ..  but I use recordings of Rachmaninov vespers, Nigel Kennedy 4 Seasons, Dire Straits Live, James Taylor October Road, John Martyn Solid Air, Supertramp Crime of the Century and Grusin plays Gershwin and Jeff Beck's Emotion and Commotion to name a few).

When you have found the ones that tickle your fancy the next stage is to get to listen to them at home and make a choice ..  the only thing is the 802s cost over £1200 new - which means if that is your budget some serious second hand bargains can be had for the same money or less.  The advantage second hand is if you like them at other peoples' houses and at bakeoffs then provided you buy something for the right price you can always move it on for the same (or very little loss) so in those circumstances they are worth a punt.  Below is a sample of speakers under £1200 on ebay .. they are not my recommendation just a list to give you a flavour - your ears and how they sound to you is what matters  .. I got bored when I got down to £700 but if you keep going there are some serious bargains out there so you need to check right down to £200 or £300 ... You will pick up a pair of Celestion Ditton 44s for that kind of money that will show a clean pair of heals to many modern loudspeakers costing up to £2k and more. 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PMC-FB1-Transmission-Line-Floorstanding-Loud-Speakers-Cherry-Finish/192708090987?hash=item2cde4c1c6b:g:yzoAAOSwi-dbzfCp:rk:3:pf:0 these are under £700 and some are asking over a grand

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/QUAD-ESL988-ESL-speakers-988-Electrostatic-speakers/113352674214?hash=item1a64588ba6:g:WQIAAOSwsO5b4MCo or https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Martin-Logan-CLS-electrostatic-SPEAKERS/253779651462?hash=item3b16722b86:g:9b4AAOSw~y9ZC1wY but perhaps  not for you if you have a small room and like to play drum and bass

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Revel-F30-Speaker-Loudspeaker/332847105495?hash=item4d7f3bc5d7:g:LsgAAOSw6gdb3Dvx

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Wilson-Benesch-Actor-Speakers/263645121235?hash=item3d62794ad3:g:NYkAAOSwydpa5ao5

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DYNAUDIO-EMIT-M30-SPEAKERS-12-month-warranty-WORLDWIDE-SHIPPING/292583381146?hash=item441f54189a:g:M6QAAOSw9tJab2rM

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Spendor-A5R-Floorstanding-Speaker-Dark-Walnut/112874484807?hash=item1a47d7f447:g:LrAAAOSw9iNan-IU

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Proac-Loudspeakers-Response-2-5/153250474200?hash=item23ae70a8d8:g:sTIAAOSwmBhb4w5O

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Spendor-D7-Loudspeakers-in-Spendor-Dark-special-finish/192716976857?hash=item2cded3b2d9:g:5UMAAOSwGoBb5GIH

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/KEF-R500-Loudspeakers-Pre-owned/264032928611?hash=item3d7996c363:g:g6MAAOSwl5Jb5rmI

Thanks for your reply! And all the time you took .. I had a look at all of the links.. food for thought! The spendors really appeal!!

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1 hour ago, Bolddoggie said:

The spendors really appeal!!

If those D7s are in good shape internally that is a shockingly great deal. Even brand new with 35% discount, I paid quite a bit more. Good luck.

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On 14/11/2018 at 11:33, Bolddoggie said:

Hi all,

A minefield I'm sure but has anyone gone this route? I like the front ported nature of my 683s2 but I am tempted to change to the 603's 

Anyone have any thoughts or advice?

Thank you

Apologies if I'm suggesting the obvious. As you have a Rega amp...these should fit the bill.

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2 hours ago, and_be said:

@Bolddoggie

Currently I am in a similiar situation. Which speakers did you choose? Thanks.

Hi there, Would you believe neither!

I settled on a pair of LS50 on some custom design FS50 stands and I installed a REL T9i subwoofer. And it's awesome!

Sorry, I realise that's not much help!

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