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10 minutes ago, MartinC said:

Any idea when he might have said that? Slightly wondering if he may have subsequently changed his mind. Either way dismissing all rap as having no merit is nonsense.

Thursday, September 3rd 2015.

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6 minutes ago, Colinjg said:

Thursday, September 3rd 2015.

Can't tell if you're being serious or just made up a random date :D.

Just realised I have maybe 20 rap/hip-hop albums but none by the Stones...

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Just now, MartinC said:

Can't tell if you're being serious or just made up a random date :D.

Just realised I have maybe 20 rap/hip-hop albums but none by the Stones...

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/music/keith-richards-plenty-plenty-article-1.2346653

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“Rap — so many words, so little said,” laughs Richards, 71.

“What rap did that was impressive was to show there are so many tone-deaf people out there,” he says. “All they need is a drum beat and somebody yelling over it and they’re happy. There’s an enormous market for people who can’t tell one note from another.”

To be fair to Keith he didn't say 'all rap' but FWIW not all rap is the same...

or always guilty of 'so little said':

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Forgive me for asking are you the MartinC of the Impulse website?

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Just now, toms wait said:

Forgive me for asking are you the MartinC of the Impulse website?

Nope. I'm curious which website this is now though?

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23 minutes ago, MartinC said:

 “All they need is a drum beat and somebody yelling over it and they’re happy. 

Bit rich coming from someone working with Tom Waits:D:D

19 minutes ago, MartinC said:

Nope. I'm curious which website this is now though?

This http://www.acoustica.org.uk/impulse/impulse.html

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The problem with rap is that it lacks the variation and dimensions of most music. Basically a lead part with no melody. I'm a huge reggae fan and it's the same with DJs in reggae. As great as many of them are, their music doesn't stand up to repeated plays because of the lack of variety. 

Millions of people love rap though, so there is no point in the rest of us stating how crap it is. 

Incidentally my daughter loves all that nonsense too. 

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As with pretty much all forms/genres of music there are both good and bad examples to be found within. It is important not to generalise sweepingly. To be fair, Keith Richards is a drug addled rock dinosaur. I wouldn't take his opinion too seriously. 

Have a look at what supposed arbiters of good taste were saying about 'modern jazz' back in the 1950's and 1960's. It is now widely regarded as a high art-form. 

Unfortunately, the mainstream 'commercial' music industry is not controlled by music lovers. It is a simple business led model whose output is designed to appeal to the lowest common denominator. And a great deal of rap/hip-hop falls into this category. In many ways the original art-form (essentially poetry over funk breaks) has been bastardised and commercialised by the industry controllers for their own ends. As a result, much of it is now devoid of artistic merit. However, good examples from the genre can still be found. It is just unfortunate that these worthy examples do not get the exposure they deserve.

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Super Wammer

     I think as small children we like just about anything, as prejudices haven't been learned yet. Teenage years bring new influences like the discovery of another gender (or the same for those so inclined).  Fashion and peer group pressure are but two of the things that result from the need to be more acceptable to the new found target of affection, music being a part of that. Anything which isn't part of that particular youth culture is dismissed, be it clothing, entertainment, slang et al (there he is again, that Al!). Only in later years when such pressures fade can we appreciate the full spectrum of what life has to offer. Some, of course, seem to lack the will needed to move on from such a simplistic view of the world.  

     There is of course a reverse prejudice of "oldies" dismissing new things as rubbish. In my experience, things which are truly rubbish rarely become more than a flash in the pan. Hip hop has been on the go for decades, so I guess that speaks for itself. A fair proportion of the world gets by without concentration on melody but to us it's weird not to have it.

     If I've learned anything at all over the years it's that my way of thinking isn't the only one and everyone else's culture, religion and aims in life are just as valid (and sometimes just as stupid) as my own. I've never tried to change the tastes of younger types, all I've done is to make them aware that other things exist. I think if I were ever to think about trying I'd be better off finding a wall to bang my head against :wall:

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Pretty much all of that from 4 above.

Hadn't thought of the lack of melody but have always thought of it as tuneless which is exactly the same thing, derrrr

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Rap isn't universally devoid of melody/tune, plus of course the vocal skills of the rapper provide their own melody.

Not sure if anyone bothered to listen to my links above? Here's another that is probably better known. Sounds like it has a melody/tune to me...

https://youtu.be/1plPyJdXKIY

(Apologies it won't embed via my phone.)

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20 hours ago, toms wait said:

... it was about an unwillingness, intolerance if you like to try and listen and broaden horizons and not just music but culture in general and you encapsulated the whole point in your ire.

I'd be a bit surprised if it is an unwillingness as such, more of a 'can't be bothered'. Typical teenager with their tabloid mentality - it is either great or crap: if it doesn't immediately grab me then I can't be bothered understanding it therefore it is crap. With, I am sure, an element of teenage bravado (" look dad, I have an opinion"). There are several artists who I did not rate, until I heard a tune in the background (when barriers and prejudices are down) and was surprised to hear who it was so I followed up and now will happily listen to an album from them and others in the same genre. But that takes years of listening and experiencing different things for them to weedle their way into the subconscious, something that teenagers don't have. 

Not saying she will ever like either of the artists you mention but her view will probably mellow.

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