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13 hours ago, Mblssmp2 said:

In the UK we have 3 pin plugs and I am told there is no difference then. 

There is a difference, trust me ! Quite a big difference if you ask me.

There is a difference if you bring the phase on the right or on the left of the IEC plug. It is about the device itself ( if the grounding point is closer to the left or to the right of the transformer's primary winding ) The "noise level " can be smaller in one case that the other. At the ear you will notice a difference NOT in noise, but in tonality and mostly in the "focus" of the voices ...

You have to determine the correct "phase" of your devices (amp and CD). Check the internet about this. If you need help ask in PM

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I also built my AC cables in 1,8m length. If you noticed, this is the length everybody uses, for some empiric reason .... 

There is no "best" or "universal" AC cable , ( good for all the devices ). You should try out as many as you can. It also depends of the rest of your gear (devices / cables /speakers)

Good luck, and keep us informed !!!

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Sounds intriguing. I will look into it. The trying out of the different cables is something I might leave to the dealer. He has done this for many years and as he is an Accuphase dealer, has tried those cables on the equipment I have. They recently tried an Audiomica mains cable on Accuphase, which apparently is £3500 but they could not find any improvement over the ones they sell. They even went as far as giving the cable a cryogenic treatment as this is not mentioned for that cable but they found no improvement. I also had a chance to listen to it as every Thursday they have an evening when people can just come and listen to what they are experimenting with before we go to the pub. It is a great thing they do and try to encourage people to listen more carefully.  They used a very similar system to what I have and their own cable was indeed better than the Audiomica one. But, yes, I can easily imagine that there is not the best cable for everything. It is a system in the end, which makes it so difficult and why I think it is so important to have these dealer still around that allow you to try out things or who try out things for you. 

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7 hours ago, Mblssmp2 said:

They used a very similar system to what I have and their own cable was indeed better than the Audiomica one.

If they are Accuphase dealers, you are 50% lucky.

On the other hand (the other 50% :D),  probably they created their own cables to maximize the profit they can make. Cryogenic treatment is not something that you can afford to do for your own wires (from ebay). It has to be done in to the fabrication process, you can't cryo the PVC together with the cooper ...

Cryo cables you can buy instead , many different types. I am using Neotech and Furutech cryo treated, for my DYI cable projects. With great success i would say ...

Also, you don't have the same room acoustic like your dealer has. You may not prefer a very engaging sound  if you got a small-ish room and you are listening near-field ... I don't know, it is really not so easy to get a good sound. 

Can you tell how much you have to pay for an 1.8m AC cable ? I would like to buy one if not very expensive, for testing in my system ...

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Yes, I am lucky to have an Accuphase dealer very close by especially since this is very rare in the UK. It is not like Germany where there is a very good network of Accuphase dealers. 

The 1.8m mains cable is £750. You can find details about their products at:

https://www.musicworks-hifi.com/musicworks-products/

I believe they also do a version for continental Europe. Best really is to talk to them but make sure you speak to Larry, who is the owner or simply email them: larry@theaudioworks.co.uk

The actual shop is The Audioworks (https://www.theaudioworks.co.uk)

He might agree to take the cable back after 30 days if you are not happy. 

I don't believe that they have created their own cable to maximise profit. When you think about the costs of the parts they can't make that much money with these cables compared to selling a £3000-£4000 cable where they might make 40% profit. They have created their own cable because they like to experiment and they were not particularly happy with what was on the market. 

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I had another interesting conversation last night. So they tried out continental European plugs with their cables because they wanted to avoid having a fuse in the plug. By law, UK plugs have to have a fuse. However, they found that the plug together with a specifically built distribution block for those plugs did deteriorate the quality. They believe that the earthing of the UK system is far better as the largest pin of the UK plug is for earthing whereas continental plugs just use simple clips and that this plays a very big role. The main part of their mains cable is therefore a large cross section earthing cable. 

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Hi

I'm interested in buying an Accuphase  amp, and I've found one which looks as though it could be just the job, an Accuphase P-266. But it could need serious  restoration. 

I want to ask a favour. I have some images of the insides of the amp here. Could someone look at them and see if there's anything obviously wrong, any obvious red flags? 

https://imgur.com/a/FyV3UcK
 

If it does need servicing, is there anyone who specialises in this type of amp in the UK? I'm in London and it would be nice if I could drop it off rather than post it. 

There's a description of the P-266 here

https://audio-database.com/Accuphase-kensonic/amp/P-266-e.html

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9 hours ago, Howard said:

Hi

I'm interested in buying an Accuphase  amp, and I've found one which looks as though it could be just the job, an Accuphase P-266. But it could need serious  restoration. 

I want to ask a favour. I have some images of the insides of the amp here. Could someone look at them and see if there's anything obviously wrong, any obvious red flags? 

https://imgur.com/a/FyV3UcK
 

If it does need servicing, is there anyone who specialises in this type of amp in the UK? I'm in London and it would be nice if I could drop it off rather than post it. 

There's a description of the P-266 here

https://audio-database.com/Accuphase-kensonic/amp/P-266-e.html

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There's a few Accuphase amps reconditioned jobs on Ebay at the moment, might be worth a look before pulling the trigger on that one.

Mac

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This is in fact on ebay, it's in Poland.

I want to try a class A amp. And I'm reluctant to import from outside the EU because of the duties. If you see one on ebay which looks as though it's been reconditioned properly, and is class A, please let me know. 

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4 hours ago, Howard said:

This is in fact on ebay, it's in Poland.

I want to try a class A amp. And I'm reluctant to import from outside the EU because of the duties. If you see one on ebay which looks as though it's been reconditioned properly, and is class A, please let me know. 

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Will do.

Mac

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After intensive testing with furutech cables i found this combination to be the best to my ears:

FP-3TS20 + Neotech Gold terminations ---> DP550

FP-TCS31 + Furutech 28/38 Gold terminations ---> E470

FP-ALPHA3 cable - not used anymore

Furutech 28/38 Rodium terminations - not used

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I have a chance to trade in my E470 for the C2420 an P4200 at a very good price.  I've never owned a pre/power combo, would I be mad to turn this down?

Mac

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I think I know where you could get the C2420/P4200 from and one thing I would say is that you can certainly trust the guys in Cheadle. I think money wise, this is a very good deal especially since you can even trade in your E470. And buying pre-used Accuphase means you save a lot of money and if you sell again in the future you will probably get back a large proportion of what you have invested. There is probably just one downside if you really care about getting the best out of your system and that are the follow -on costs from having two instead of a single device for amplification. One thing I have learnt in the last 2 years or so is that HiFi racks and mains cables have an astonishing impact on the quality of the music you get out of your system. In fact, you can get a much more noticeable improvement from getting these things right than upgrading your electronics. So once you have realised this and want to upgrade your system along this avenue, you just need to spend extra on an additional mains cable, a good interconnect and an extra shelf for your rack.

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