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  1. Camverton

    Measuring the Effect of Extra Bass Traps

    A very well worth reduction in the decay, especially in the right channel. If one looks at Bob Stuart’s work on Meridian Room Correction, it is clear that he regards excessive decay more of a problem than uneven frequency response. Having moved from a house with a very dead room to a one with a lively room I have found that the biggest problem has been excessive decay at certain frequencies. From your plots it looks as if the best improvement might involve a combination of your bass traps and then some judicious DSP to even out the frequency plot a bit. In practice there is no need to have it ruler flat. As ever with these things if you are happy with the results thus far that is all that matters. Thanks for the interesting post.
  2. Camverton

    Recommendations For An, Ignoramus, Please!

    They are both big and long works so for anyone new to this repertoire I would tend to try and get to know one movement at a time. Perhaps start the Shostakovich at the third movement and the Beethoven with fourth movement, particularly as it was that that featured in the video.
  3. Camverton

    Recommendations For An, Ignoramus, Please!

    Is this an avante garde genre to which you are referring
  4. Camverton

    Recommendations For An, Ignoramus, Please!

    You’ve chanced upon one of the towering pinnacles of the symphonic repertoire! They are playing part of the last movement of Beethoven’s 9th symphony aka his choral symphony. It’s a pretty good test piece for any hifi system with its large dynamic range and multitude of aural colours. The second movement has some rather good tympani (drum) bits and the third movement is one of the most sublime things ever written for an orchestra. Where to go from there? The classical repertoire is enormous with an extremely wide range of styles. You could try Berlioz’s Symphonie Fantastique, the last movement. For incredible drama try the third movement of Shostakovich 8th symphony in the recording by Bernard Haitink; play it loud, feel the hairs on the back of your neck and elsewhere stand on end at the onslaught of percussion and watch your roof lift off at the end. For something a bit quirky try Thomas Ades’ Chamber symphony; the version with Marin Alsop has a particularly good recording and is full of striking instrumental colour and rythyms. Good luck, let us know how you get on.
  5. And isn’t that what it’s all about? Or as Robert Plant might once have wished he hadn’t said “does anybody remember enjoyment”; not quite the same ring as laughter!
  6. Right, I've had my snooze but your first sentence still makes no sense. Now I know I shouldn't feed the ..... but a chap needs a hobby! Effects? Using a cardioid response on a loudspeaker so that it doesn't make full use of the room, as any other sound producing item in that room does, is an effect, IME a rather unnatural one. I can see that if you are mixing a recording and using the speakers as a tool that might be beneficial but as an end user I want something that sounds natural in my room without the effect of replicating a recording studio or going part way to an anechoic chamber (the ultimate in removing the influence of a room). They can work very well for studio created recordings but sound unnatural for recordings of acoustic events where we want a natural, truthful sound and aural perspective. Absolutely fine with you believing that fine measuring equipment always sounds good, although some of us are looking for better than mere good and I have found fine measuring equipment such as the Benchmark DAC does not sound so good on long term listening. Needless to say all your beliefs, opinions and dogma should come with the proviso that you have a vested interest. To add that "one might prefer to add effects and that is your prerogative" is pompous and rude. I realise that you consider my speakers effects boxes but have you measured them? Have you heard them in the domestic setting for which they are designed? You certainly haven't heard them in my house as I have them set up! In short you are making suppositions. One thought before I potter off for my afternoon nap, paulssurround seems to be enjoying his hifi a lot more than some of his mealy mouthed detractors!
  7. Do excuse a delay in reply; I need a snooze before Line of Duty, and that is far more important than your, erm,
  8. Oh what a paragon of virtue! That measurements lead to long term satisfaction is only true for those who know how to correlate the measurements with how they sound in practice. You are recommending products which may well suit some punters, but they are not right for everyone, however you dress it up. You are advertising within discussion threads, that is not ethical; however right you think your opinion is - and whilst your opinion is right for some it isn’t right for everyone.
  9. In a way I agree, but there is a difference between promotion and sharing experience. Does the OP make money as a result of his posts? As a dealer you do make money from promoting the products you sell within discussion threads. It is that which is surely wrong. You may have confidence in the superiority of the speakers you sell, but that is opinion. Blathering on about measurements, and being Toole’s sycophant, will not tell the discerning listener whether or not they will be right for them (the speakers you promote weren’t for me). The less discerning might fall for your verbiage. Some time down the line they may be pleased they fell for your in thread patter but they might not, and then it will be a costly mistake. As ever, if anyone is thinking of spending money as the result of a forum post(s) caveat emptor. In short you are not in a position to state what is “surely wrong”.
  10. You are quite correct but, as is so often the case, missing the point. We live with sighted stimulus, it is part of what makes us human (unless blind of course). To remove input from one sense may be of interest to the scientist and people who argue the toss on forums, but if we are susceptible to sighted, and various other psycological influences and stimuli then it makes sense to encompass and accept them. When we are listening to music our hearing is our main input but to deny the input from our other senses is, for normal people, too much of an effort to be worthwhile. It really doesn't matter a gnats fart if you think someone cannot actually hear a difference if they are getting pleasure from their experiences as a human being. The bottom line, talking as I was of gnats farting, and it has been my tagline on this forum for a while now, it's what you think you hear that really matters.
  11. All this scientific analysis and can violinists detect a strad blind is all very interesting but in the end not wholly relevant and missing the point. in the real world what is relevant is all the inputs to our mind and how they are sifted for us to come to a conclusion. Even if a strad did sound the same as a modern violin the chances are that a violinist who loves their instrument because of its heritage etc may be inspired to create music of greater quality and value. For goodness sake we are human, and to not embrace our biases can lead to us missing out on so much. As one of the worlds greatest photographers, Edward Weston, once said “if you can explain a Bach fugue you would explain away its very reason for existence” (or something similar - too lazy to look up the exact quote). Don’t get me wrong, I like to know how things work but I also want to enjoy my music and if my biases, preconceptions and not mention any other idiosyncrasies help then so be it. Better that than muttering into my beard the grey, measly words of bubble pricking objective analysis. Now then, Ethernet cables making a difference? Don’t be silly! I’m off to find a tweak that I can believe in, be hoodwinked by, and which can enhance my pleasure. Should I find “it” please don’t burst my bubble. Pleasure at my age is hard come by .
  12. Thanks for the link Keith, although the nearest I’ve come to “having a man” is hiring a man to cut my grass - except that he hasn’t turned up yet. As for the interview, I’d like to have a shirt that colour and I’d particularly like a pair of the 101s he is sitting next to. He is quite difficult to follow but that doesn’t really matter as I take the words of people with vested interests with a pinch of salt but, if interesting enough, something to be verified. I do have a MBL corona amp (their budget range, ha ha) which I picked up secondhand at a good price. It is beautifully made but I don’t think it is worth the rrp compared with, say, a Hegel amp of higher output at half the price. In fact I run the Hegel amp into my speakers so I guess I am not suffering from halo bias. The speakers I like, simply because of the way they sound; I tolerate (just about) the way they look! If someone comes up with something that sounds as good, in a good looking package that can be used close to the wall than I’d change without a second thought. I’m still searching though. I had high hopes of the D&D8C but really shouldn’t have believed the hyperbole; great speakers in some respects but not, contrary to the impression sometimes given, in all respects. apologies to the OP for going off topic from Cat cables, although I do like cats so at least my avatar is vaguely on topic!
  13. Camverton

    Deciding on two sets of speakers ?

    As has been mentioned above subs tend to work best when placed close to boundaries and the main speakers away from boundaries to enhance the sense of realism. Even speakers such as the old Meridian dsp5500 which are designed to go close to a wall with processing to suit, sound so much better in terms of a lifelike representation of the performers, when brought out into the room. The problem then comes with integration but modern DSP is good at sorting this out. I agree it is a bit of a nuisance having speakers at least 3 or 4 feet into the room but it can be worth the inconvenience if domestic harmony isn’t too compromised. I recently auditioned a pair of “full range” speakers and sure enough they measured down to around 20 Hz in a similar way to my existing mains plus sub. There was an enormous difference, however, in how they sounded when listening to Saint-Saens Organ Symphony. With the sub, one didn’t just hear the underpinning organ but felt it. A very visceral, satisfying, rather than cerebral experience.
  14. I’m always interested in expanding my knowledge. Dirac, as with all DSP solutions I have tried tends to be most effective when it doesn’t have to do to much correction. I like to think of it as a tuning device rather than massive sticking plaster. Like so many things, life isn’t black and white and I’m interested in whether a combination of methods might offer better results within the constraints of an aesthetically pleasing room. I do appreciate that you sell speakers that supposedly make all this unnecessary, but their effect is of an incredibly detailed picture at the end of the room whereas I want the illusion of musicians performing music in front of me in my favourite genre.