Nytastaba

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    NYC

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  • Turn Table
    Clearaudio Concept
  • Tone Arm & Cartridge
    Concept and Virtuoso
  • SUT / Phono Stage
    Something decent
  • Digital Source 1
    Sony Hap z1es
  • Integrated Amp
    Croft Integrated R
  • Pre-Amp
    Violectric V100 HP
  • My Speakers
    Harbeth P3ESR
  • Headphones
    Audeze LCD-3
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    I am not in the Hi-Fi trade

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  1. Nytastaba

    Harbeth or Revel

    Thanks all. I just looked up the Croft specs on some dealers website and it doesn’t look like they double into 4 ohms. I agree that home audition is important. I don’t think I will commit to a speaker without it, unless I can buy it used at a good price, but honestly I don’t have the time or the energy to be a serial flipper. I may save that approach for something that is very promising, but as default I will want to audition at home. I also prefer to buy new anyways, as I don’t trust myself As far as evaluating any faults in used equipment. By the way there are a couple of JBLs I still want to carefully audition at least in store, the 4429 and the s3900. edit: actually auditioning s3900. S9900 is another ballpark entirely.
  2. Nytastaba

    Harbeth or Revel

    Thanks all. KEF was driven with a 150 Watt Krell I believe. What is the minimum to do them justice? Would 100 -120 Watts be enough? I’ve read that Croft can double the power on custom orders so curious to consider that approach. More money of course but a better amp as well, I guess. Or a McIntosh, etc...
  3. Nytastaba

    Harbeth or Revel

    Update. Heard a couple of speakers today. Devore Gibbon Super Nine, and Devore O/96. Both reminded me a lot of Harbeth but with somewhat better dynamics. Warm yet clear sound, very laid back, made in Brooklyn, New York. Frankly a little too laid back with rock, even more so than Harbeth I would say. Zero hint of listening fatigue. Probably not for me due to being laid back but certainly worth checking out if considering Harbeth. Also, ATC 19 (passive). Not my cup of tea, a little too clinical for me, though I don’t think fatigue would be an issue. I can see why this brand is used a lot as a monitor. Frankly I just want some flavor with my music, I guess. Also, KEF Reference 1. Great sounding speaker. Seems to tick a lot of boxes. Just a couple of reservations. First, need to listen more to determine if fatigue will be an issue. Probably not, but sounds right on the edge. Second, the price. I get that it does a lot of things right, but with the recommended stands this is not a cheap proposition. Almost 2x Harbeth M30.2 here in the US . Is it that much better? Will find out as next week am scheduled to listen to those very Harbeth M30.2. But those aside, basically almost exactly what I am looking for. Sounds like a very clear yet very dynamic speaker. Like a very clear JBL L100 Classic, at more than 2x the price. Lots of food for thought. Glad I listened to it and will listen to it again before making my decision.
  4. Nytastaba

    Harbeth or Revel

    I think you will enjoy them. To me, the D9 is just a noticeably more effortless version of the D7. With rock it really shows. I’m sure other types of music will also be impacted. Make sure to post your impressions!
  5. Nytastaba

    Harbeth or Revel

    Thanks all. Cno and Chem, in your experience is there any brightness or fatigue in Spendor? (I guess Cno already said they shouldn’t be...). I did not detect any in my ~1 hour long session at the dealer. I’ve found some items fatiguing before (Beyerdybamic T1 headphones come to mind). Will listen more carefully for it if that’s what I plan to get. Also will try to find a way to listen to the Spendor 100 Classic (whatever the latest version is called). Something about 12 inch bass driver still very much calls to me ... but I agree that D9 could be an excellent speaker for me. Have not heard PSB, will investigate. This is all a lot of fun! Edit: Chem, what was your impression of the ATC?
  6. Nytastaba

    Harbeth or Revel

    An update. Have listened to some more stuff. Proac, and a bunch of others. So far the one that stands out is Spendor D9. Proac D48R was also impressive. I’ve noticed that only the bigger towers impress me. For example, Spendor D7 and Proac D30rs just don’t do it for me after the JBL L100 Classic, speaking of the bottom end. Don’t get me wrong they are better in that department than my P3ESR but I don’t want to upgrade halfway, even if that means waiting a bit for the right speaker. So here’s a question. I probably liked Spendor D9 the most of what I’ve heard so far. How different is the Spendor Classic 100? It seems a competitor to but cheaper than the Harbeth M40.2. If anyone has any impressions between those Spendor I would love to hear them. Next up I want to listen to Kef Ref 1 (maybe 3 but that’s really stretching it) and ATC (19, maybe 40 but 40 are hard to find around here). Also Klipsch even though that’s a weekend trip to listen to them (can combine with family trip). Alternatively I may just ignore the experience I had at one dealer and still go for the SHL5 plus. No one here stocks m40.2 by the way. Edit: Looked into Tannoy but no one here stocks them either. I swear, there must be an opportunity for a dealer near NYC to stock big ass speakers.
  7. Nytastaba

    Harbeth or Revel

    The JBL L100 Classic went back today. In the end, the midrange was not what I was hoping for. Just obviously less clear than P3ESR. The search continues. List ed to KEF R11 in a very unoptimal setting and they sounded good. Some type of Martin Logan as well and a few others. Martin Logan’s were also interesting but very different from what I’m used to. I am intrigued by ATC but wonder realistically what is the minimum watts I need (I realize my amp at about 50 watts won’t cut it). Other than ATC am planning to audition Proacs.
  8. Nytastaba

    Harbeth or Revel

    I’ve had the JBL L100 Classic for a few days and have had a chance to listen to them several times. A few thoughts. Imaging is decent as far as width goes (hard to judge depth given where they sit in my room). The mids and highs are a little veiled compared to the Harbeth P3ESR. Very good judging on its own, but somewhat lacking when I a/b with the Harbeth. The low end is pretty effortless and apparent even at a low volume. Here the Harbeth is obviously sorely lacking when I a/b. My set of the JBL sounds a little brighter than demo set in the store (and certainly brighter than Harbeth), but that could be potentially lessened with some breaking in. In any event it is probably not so bright as to bother me. Will pay more attention to this as I continue the evaluation. I could probably live with these speakers, given what I listen to. And from everything I’ve heard as far as auditioning, it would cost a fair amount more than the JBL to get something better than Harbeth down low while keeping the mid magic. Still have some time to decide, and I certainly appreciate the point some people made about how a home audition is a must. Not that that makes things any easier ...
  9. Nytastaba

    Harbeth or Revel

    CnoEvil, Not sure I’ll have a chance to listen to Kef. Between work and family, auditioning is not the easiest. I’ll just figure if I like the L100 after listening to them at home a few times, and if not, may try to decide between SHL5 plus AE and f208 (likely at that point it would be the Harbeth).
  10. Nytastaba

    Harbeth or Revel

    The larger Harbeth is the SHL5 plus anniversary edition. Can return the L100 Classic within 30 days.
  11. Nytastaba

    Harbeth or Revel

    Radiant Red, I agree, but for what it’s worth I’ll likely keep the P3esr. And although checking for myself in my own system would be best, I listened to the larger Harbeth side by side with a P3esr in a different system at a dealer while traveling, and the larger speaker just did not go deep enough compare with the P3esr. Maybe it is simply less efficient, and I suspect the system was just a tad bright (or less warm if you will) compared to my own, but going from the smaller to the larger speaker I just got a bigger sound stage, and a bigger room filling factor. It went deeper but not by orders of magnitude if that makes sense. That’s why I got curious about Revels in the first place (and they are super convenient to audition for me), and I think between f208 and the larger Harbeth I would have stayed with Harbeth. Good thing the salesperson suggested the L100, now I am looking forward to the in home trial.
  12. Nytastaba

    Harbeth or Revel

    Yep. I can tell you that in the store my amp handled it better than the demo amp. Noticeably more oomph at the bottom end with bass guitar, for example on something like AC/DC live wire. Perhaps a touch clearer too. Will get them in home by middle of next week (out of town until then) and will report back!
  13. Nytastaba

    Harbeth or Revel

    UPDATE Listened to some speakers at the Harmon Kardon store in NYC. Everyone was very helpful and knowledgeable. Big shout out to Neil. They accommodated my ask to listen with my amp, a Croft Integrated R with stock tubes (that is now around 6 years old), that I believe is circa 50 Watts (give or take 5). Long story short, I decided on the JBL L100 Classic. A great warm rock speaker that my amp is efficient enough to drive great even at the lower frequencies. Seems to sound fantastic with Rock. Tracks like RHCP (wet sand, snow, slow cheetah, AC/DC (live wire, rock or bust) and Elton John (goodbye the yellow brick road) all sound great in bass guitar (to extent present) and drums and also have great clarity. For my tastes these fit the bill. Source was Tidal through some cheaper Arcam gadget. Other speakers were Revels f208 and f228be. The dealers amp was a 90-watt Arcam, retails for about $4500. Listened in an untreated space (they also have a treated room, if that’s where you want to audition). The f228 were not driven properly by my amp. With the dealer amp they would not be my choice for this kind of music, at least under the listening conditions I described. The f208 sounded like a great speaker with the dealer amp. My amp drove them well enough, but the low end was simply missing. Need something more powerful. The JBL L100 seem like rock speakers. Definitely worth checking them out at home, which is what I will do when they arrive. I think Revel f208 may be more detailed, but maybe a little less bass guitar giving you goosebumps (without overpowering everything else) kind of sound. I’ll have 30 days to change my mind about the JBL, looking forward to the home audition.
  14. Nytastaba

    Harbeth or Revel

    Matty, thabks so much for your response. Honestly this may be the route I’ll take before buying any components. For no good reason I’ve always been reluctant to roll tubes, but will maybe give this a try. I am still listening to some revels later today, though, and will report back.
  15. Nytastaba

    Harbeth or Revel

    I’ve heard that Croft and Harbeth work well together. I can say that my combo is certainly amazing, and the limitations are due to speaker size. Frankly I think source is also a part of it. My vinyl rig, which is decent (including the phono pre), sounds definitely better than my Sony Hap z1es (notwithstanding that the Sony was at some point a stereophile class a component if memory serves). It’s just that vinyl is even less practical with a toddler running around than a standmount speaker maybe I should be looking at a source switch but that’s another topic ... i am auditioning the Revel speakers more carefully tomorrow at the HK store. In fact they are kind enough to let me bring in my amp to see what happens. Will provide an update after that listening session.