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I've seen the Facts and they don't look that expensively made? I did see and hear the old B a W 800 series and they did look the part in build and design a real quality feel

Hi thanks I know what you mean about centre speakers, I did try it before I got my Kef centre and the Kefs uni q mains image great. Also any pans left to right is more natural, and no matter what centre you have they always sound a little different to the mains because they are not exactly the same speaker? But then you go on an AV forum and they all swear that you NEED a centre speaker to lock the speech to the centre of the screen, then it depends on how wide your main speakers are? Many thanks

At present I'm using a minidsp on the bass end of the Kefs. It was a while ago when I set it up so all a little vague ! but there was not much bass ( due to the room) so I set the two subs to work where the Kefs left off. It filled in the bottom end. The subs were position each side of the room instead of at the end where the Kefs were and the bass dip disappeared. I used a Anthony Gallo bass amp to power both subs. Going active would mean more power amps etc and I'm running out of space

Thanks for all your replies, I may even spray them black? I'm just setting a hvlp spray booth up at home to spray some parts for work. or I may go the DIY route and build a pair from a tried and tested design with quality drivers? i did think about building a cabinet the same size as the Kefs and finishing it in black and borrow the drivers from the Kefs and keep the old cabinet safe in case I ever wanted to sell them? The bass drivers in the Kefs didn't look anything special when I had the foam outers renewed? There must be more exotic drivers out there?

I love the look of the new Kef reference 3 and even the reference 1s, apart from the £1000 they want for the stands and the £500 they want for the gloss black finish! Focal sopra 1 I've see but not heard and the matching centre seems reasonable at £2000 compared to the PMC and Kef matching centre speakers. For value for money the PMC fact 3 seem expensive? A rectangle box with 3 drivers? Not a lot design and breaking the barriers going on there?

Hi many thanks

So a £6000 brand new speaker will give me no more than I have now?

So how do I get better? How rated were the Kef reference in their day and what has changed in the last 20 years? Or is it all marketing to sell more? I don't want to spend £3000 second hand on something that's basically what I already have?

Thanks all, Theres nothing I dislike about the Kefs in sound wise, but then I've not really heard many speakers in my room? To compare them with. I did go to the Harrogate show and nothing had me drooling, I just thought mine sounds as good. The reason of the Two subs is my room had a big dip at 80htz (if I remember right?) and due to not been able to move the speakers because of the screen etc. I resorted to having a sub on each side of the room and a mini dsp setting crossovers etc to fill in the lost bass. I suppose I've gone off the real wood veneer and would prefer a piano black finish and because of the positioning, either side of my screen the PMCs at 150mm wide would fit in a lot better. I also thought with them been 20 years old things might of progressed a little more in quality?

Hi all, I have been thinking about getting some new speakers, to replace my Kef reference model 2 and model 200c centre i would prefer a manufacture who does a matching centre speaker as my system does AV too. i use Bryston 7bssts for the front and a 9bsst to drive centre and rears. ive been looking at Pmc fact 8, and the new Kef reference 3, it seems the Pmc are a good match for the Bryston power amps? The room is 5m X 3.5 m so not massive. i also have 2 DIY subs for stereo use and a SVS ultra 13 for movies I also had a look at B and W 800 series second hand 805 s ? Compared to my Kef reference model 2s which are in perfect like new condition how much better are the speakers listed above? How much better have speakers got in 20years? Will it be a wow moment if I bought any of the above? i suppose my Kef reference model 2s would be roughly the same price bracket as the ones listed above 20 years ago?

I keep reading articles and on the PMC website about the "advance transmission line technology " Then you look into it and it's a few pieces of wood separating the cabinet to get a longer transmission line? Is it really technology? Is it ground breaking stuff? Why don't other speaker manufactures use it? Is it a PMC patent?

Yes I could make the image a little smaller but would lose the black border of the screen which frames the projected image. i was thinking of trying some different front speakers for a change so wanted some that did a catching centre channel. ideas were, kef reference 1, Band W 805 or PMC fact speakers, I also wanted to get away from the real wood finishes and wanted piano black or in the case of the PMCs graphite grey thanks yes I have 3 subwoofers! A SVS ultra 13 which I use for movies and two DIY subwoofers which I use for stereo and movies thanks

Hi I have kef reference model 2.2 and kef reference 200 centre speaker thanks

I don't have any stand mount speakers, so it would be a big outlay for trial and error. Yes I have centre channel speaker too.

At the moment I have floor standers and due to size of the screen they are in front of the bottom corners of the screen. it would be either buying a smaller screen, or making the screen higher, it's a motorised screen ( which I don't like looking up) or I'd love to buy some large stand mounted speakers but make some shorter stands? Thanks