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  2. Imagine if one was actually allowed to browse, save, backup, or manipulate any files in their very expensive handheld personal computer.
  3. Obviously this doesn't mean that -all- Cat-8 cables have these shielding issues. Every hardware store will sell bog cheap Cat-6 to Cat-8, and that will be perfectly fine. I think that most of the Cat-8 advocates here so far promoted the bog cheap Cat-8 type, not the incorrect and overly expensive audiophile ones. And as the dCS guy states: Please note that he doesn't say that there is no (noticable) sonic difference between cables. Your mileage may differ with the cables, their lengths, the equipment used and the room you're in. This may also imply that when you don't hear any differences, that either your equipment is shielded soooo good that it is far beyond the standard of dCS, or Linn for that matter. the overall noise floor of your system exceeds the ethernet input by at least 12dB, drowning it into the generic noise of your system. For those who are 100% sure that cables do not matter, it may be interesting to find out where their systems are on that scale. 😁
  4. I was wondering the other day if the senior management of Linn are Apple or Android users?
  5. Blokes?!? Methinks it is time you became acquainted with the work of the Ragazze Quartet ... I first got to know the ESL57s in the late 1970s when my best mate had a pair (not the most obvious thing to see in a house in Brixton, but then, God rest him, he was always an oddball). In the 1990s, when I had Quad electronics and a pair of LS3/5As to compare them with, another friend inherited a set of ESL63s. Both were, of course beautifully uncoloured and distortion-free, and they were always an easy listen. But I have to agree with you about the lack of oomph. I used to go back to my humble standmount/sub-woofer combination and feel that it was actually more fun to listen to. That was true of string quartets as well. In fact, in all the classical repertoire, the great string quartets (late Beethoven, Janáček, Bartók, Shostakovich) actually, in my view, require a as great a dynamic range as a symphony orchestra as well as an equally good bass response (the 'cello goes down a long way). The ESLs are very responsive, but they are not particularly good at dealing with the extremes. As the great composers typically did not regard the string quartet as 'nice' music but used it as a means of taking their ideas to the edge, it follows that the ESLs would not be my first choice for listening to string quartets either. If i want "a bit more racket", the final movement of Bartók's 4th Quartet on my 'bariks does me very nicely, thank you. David
  6. Good to hear that Linn have acted on this straight after John bringing it to everyone’s attention. I am curious to know where the playlists are stored. Are they on the iPad? Bill.
  7. What about the weight? Should not be heavier than Linn’s. Then you will have a problem with the hinges.
  8. My Canadian however still needs some practise, eh?
  9. Yep, ..and they're still possibly almost as good a speaker as you will find for listening to four blokes playing variously sized fiddles. Just a shame they leave a little to be desired if you need to move some air and make a bit more racket .
  10. Thanks - it works today David (although the # link above doesn't) - but I got "no permission" all day yesterday.
  11. To be a little conspiratorial, it would be interesting to know whether Linn advertised in the same and/or later issue. (Positive reviews increase the chance, with ads being an important source of income.. bla bla.)
  12. This must really frustrate the hell out of manufacturers like dCS who go to extraordinary lengths to ensure their equipment truly is ‘State of the Art’. I have to admit, the cat8 I’ve heard sounds ok, and probably better than anything else I’ve heard, but I do have a sneaking suspicion that it could be bettered. It feels like I’ve taken 2 steps forward and one step back. Musicality is improved, possibly through reduced cross talk/induced noise on the data lines, but a hardness has crept into the sound which I don’t particularly like. I wonder if it’s because a tiny bit of noise has found its way onto the DS’s/Exakt Link/Akudorik ground planes, creating a ground loop through the power cables? My guess is ‘yes’! Ref.Wikipedia ’Twisted pair cables often incorporate shielding in an attempt to prevent electromagnetic interference. Shielding provides an electrically conductive barrier to attenuate electromagnetic waves external to the shield; and provides a conduction path by which induced currents can be circulated and returned to the source via (the) ground reference connection ’ So in effect, we’re dumping all the noise we’ve managed to prevent entering the Ethernet cable directly into our lovely clean earth reference point that Linn have spent millions designing!!! I’m guessing that the reason why peter@57m and myself have found cat8 to work well is because we’ve both got very clean Ethernet earths to start with because we both use a Melco with a TP Link wifi receiver powered by the Melco. That is, our systems are isolated from the main network. However, other configurations may suffer from noise injected into the earth reference point to a greater degree.
  13. That looks a good buy doesn't . Appears to fit ,looks perfectly functional, and the official product is in this instance extremely overpriced . And it's not like buying a 3rd party belt ....it's not going to affect performance if its not exactly like the original
  14. If an LP12 sounds "vile" [compared to digital , or anything for that matter ]....then something is seriously wrong with it !
  15. I took a chance on a Russ Andrews jobbie then I have given up using the LP12 as it sounded vile compared to good digital material. These days Russ charges £33 I believe. Someone is taking customers for a ride.
  16. An update. Our engineers have identified the issue and have a fix in place. They are going cut a release this morning and get it through the App Store as quickly as possible, although this will be controlled by Apple. Any playlists created prior to 4.13.40 being installed should still be there, unless you have uninstalled and re-installed the app. Any playlists created in 4.13.40 may be lost.
  17. Hi Timster, Konfig is downloadable directly from our website, https://www.linn.co.uk/software#Konfig. Regards, David
  18. Don't ...unless it's cheap as chips and you can easily write off the loss if it doesn't work properly It may work just fine...or it may cause all kinds of speed related issues if not right. Factory LInn belts are expensive these days [the new price almost caused a war on the old forum] ...but they last for years and give us peace of mind re any potential sound quality compromises which may be caused by other products. .
  19. An excellent summary from someone that clearly understands the technical issues. I particularly liked "Ethernet is so ubiquitous and important that there are legions of very accomplished engineers constantly improving the specs and requirements. This work is in support of the real-world applications of Ethernet which are far more important than anything audio-related. The thought that the audio industry is going to make real improvements here when most companies lack the equipment to do proper measurements is beyond laughable." Couldn't have put it better myself.
  20. Thanks 'troll. Immediately updated to 4.37.125 And now updating DSM to 4.69.
  21. Thanks for letting us know about the disappearing playlists. We have identified the problem and are issuing a fix today. It will most likely take a day or two to go through the Apple approval process but once you update Kazoo your playlist will be reinstated. Apologies for any inconvenience experienced. Regards, David
  22. More ‘fuel for the fire’, from the Roon forum this time: AMPAndrew PProgramme Manager at dCS Dec '18 stevebythebay: Noise via Ethernet is a real thing, but the funny thing is that most audiophile cables are making the problem worse. The sad thing is that consumers are buying these things. Twisted-pair Ethernet is a differential (balanced) connection so typical EMI/RFI issues are addressed through common mode rejection. That isn’t to say that Ethernet is immune to this type of noise, but in a domestic application you have to be really haphazard in cable routing to get real issues here. Twisted-pair Ethernet is galvanically isolated when unshielded cables are used. This is part of the Ethernet spec which mandates transformer coupling (or some other similar air gap isolation) for all PHYs. This is in place to break potential ground loops (which can be deadly in real-world implementations) as well as to avoid current leakage and spikes over Ethernet links. Twisted-pair Ethernet is an extremely reliable transport mechanism as long as the specifications are followed to the letter. This includes cable geometry, connector design, and termination. Ignore any one of these and the quality of transmission (and the noise rejection properties of the transport suffer). Here’s how audiophile cables tend to screw up Ethernet: “Creative” cable geometries which don’t follow the spec and ultimately result in noise issues and signal reflections that do impact data transfer performance. Non-standard (answer to the question no one ever asked) connectors which look impressive but have issues with maintaining a reliable connection, impedance mismatches, and a higher likelihood of damaging the component they’re plugged into. Use of shielding without understanding how Ehternet works. With a fully connected shield you’ve now linked the ground planes of the stereo with the rest of the network. If noise is a concern the this is just stupid. With the shield floating or only connected at one end you now have a very effective antenna connected to the ground plane. Product designs which are make to look and feel impressive in order to justify ridiculous costs. This includes cables that are so heavy they literally rip the Ethernet jacks off circuit boards, connectors which tend to wallow out the jacks on the components, and cables which have no chance if having proper geometry unless they’re kept perfectly straight. Fun fact… most audiphile Ethernet cables don’t pass the certification for their advertised category (i.e. some audiophile CAT7 cables are lucky to pass CAT5 requirements). Many audiophile Ethernet cables don’t certify remotely close to any of the Ethernet standards… yet for some reason they cost hundreds or thousands of dollars. I’ve talked to a lot of audio cable manufacturers about Ethernet and the interesting thing is that none of them really understand how it works. They’re just trying to apply audio signal cable principles to a very different kind of connection. The good companies will admit that they don’t have the knowledge they need and hence their product offerings appear to be rather limited in scope (this list is very short). Many report hearing sonic differences between different Ethernet cables and use this as a justification for purchase. If you’re happy with what you’re buying and feel that a cable provides a positive sonic change then there’s nothing wrong with that. It’s your money and system so if you’re happy then that’s great. Just don’t get caught up in the hype about noise reduction and magic dust. There’s a really good chance that the difference you’re hearing isn’t the result of noise reduction, just a change in the overall shape of the noise floor in your system. Some notes here: Ethernet is so ubiquitous and important that there are legions of very accomplished engineers constantly improving the specs and requirements. This work is in support of the real-world applications of Ethernet which are far more important than anything audio-related. The thought that the audio industry is going to make real improvements here when most companies lack the equipment to do proper measurements is beyond laughable. This isn’t my opinion, it’s fact and based on actual understanding of IEEE 802.3 along with decades of experience in large scale data networking. dCS has no official recommendations for network cables as long as they meet the Ethernet spec, don’t damage the component, and certify at their listed category. When customers report issues that are beyond basic configuration problems the first thing we request is the replacement of all audiophile Ethernet cables with something less exotic (and more correct). You’d be surprised how often this resolves the problem. I have absolutely nothing against audiophile cables or the companies that make them. I do have an issue with products that are designed and marketed with an obvios ignorance toward their intended application. Anthony_Bates: We put a lot of effort into proper implementation of our Ethernet interfaces and can demonstrate excellent measured performance. We don’t violate standards so our Ethernet port shields are connected to the component’s ground plane. We go to great lengths to maintain a clean ground (which is especially critical in digital audio), but we can’t do anything when someone connects an antenna (poorly designed cable) to the Ethernet port.
  23. I agree that 6 and 7 might well be my fault. A bit strange I had the same problem with Kazoo Server and my own Asset NAS. But with enough effort I could certainly make this work if I had to. Regarding Airplay: I don't agree. The whole point for these all-in-ones is in my view a simplified setup AND more streamlined user experience. My wife and kids want to stream Airplay from their iDevices and control the volume easily. This is their needs. I have other listening habits, so I want high quality music playback. LINN has achieved the later, but not the first, but I guess this is dangerous for such a product. If it is not easier to use then separates but as expensive as good ones, why should I then care to consider this product at all? It is interesting to see that NONE of the things I mentioned about usability, nor the fact that the Selekt does not have Airplay 2 and is not roon ready, was mentioned in any single review about the Selekt. Looks like reviewers really only focus on what is working and nothing else. What value this has for potential customers I don't know. I want to make some pressure for LINN I must say. That's why I am starting these discussions here, and I will also write to every single Selekt reviewer and ask why his article contained none of these. Lets see what happens.
  24. Kairn memory battery replacement isn't difficult ....and neither is it strictly necessary, so long as you don't mind resetting your volume and re-selecting the chosen input after the "Don't Panic " message when you switch it on . The only real issue with Kairn batteries is if an old one has leaked all over the control board....potentially causing damage .
  25. Tin, you onlee speech 4 sandwitchs. Ur Denglish iz pritty gud if u axe mee. 👍🏻
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