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Yesterday I fired up the Rega Planar 3 with Roksan Corus Blue for the first time since I had it fixed around 6 years ago. Finally thought I'd have a listen to my old vinyl that's been in the cupboard for 20-40 years.

Now then... I could get into this! Shit me I'd forgotten how dynamic vinyl can be. However, I must say it's definitely a bit bright, thin in the mid and can get congested (the sound I mean).

Wot to do to bring the vinyl up to a decent standard? Will a new cartridge suffice in this RB300 arm? Or do I need to start from scratch? Using a Creek phono stage. Frankly, I don't know where to start..haven't kept up with vinyl for so long... in other words.. HELP!

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The Chorus blue is a decent enough cart. What you describe in the mids and the brightness was what eventually convinced me to part with my P25. I've always found Rega arms too thin. You could change the cart to get a more precise and less bright presentation, but if you're serious about a vinyl resurgence, a change of deck/arm might be the best long term solution. There's no substitute for auditioning as taking another's advice on what arm/deck/cart combo is not going to guarantee you the sound in your system and in your listening space you might be after. Only auditioning can do that. What phono stage are you listening through as this might be another route to get some improvements without sacrificing your current TT set up?

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It's a Creek phono stage, taks both mm and mc inputs.OBH15

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The congested mids are a consequence of the resonances of a standard Rega arm. It is the reason for the foam filling and holes drilled in modified Rega arms. Sibilance can also be a consequence of overtightening the mounting nut of the RB250. It shouldn't be as big a problem on the steel shafted RB's. You have two choices. Start again or address the weaknesses of the Planar 3. That all depends on how far you want to take it, but be aware that a lot of improvements calm that dynamic character down so you may lose some of what impresses you in favour of what others might consider greater fidelity.

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There's no substitute for auditioning as taking another's advice on what arm/deck/cart combo is not going to guarantee you the sound in your system and in your listening space you might be after. Only auditioning can do that.

Mighty fine advice.

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The congested mids are a consequence of the resonances of a standard Rega arm. It is the reason for the foam filling and holes drilled in modified Rega arms. Sibilance can also be a consequence of overtightening the mounting nut of the RB250. It shouldn't be as big a problem on the steel shafted RB's. You have two choices. Start again or address the weaknesses of the Planar 3. That all depends on how far you want to take it, but be aware that a lot of improvements calm that dynamic character down so you may lose some of what impresses you in favour of what others might consider greater fidelity.

Yes indeed, I don't want to loose any of the wallop I have at the moment - I can use cd for a smoother less impactful sound.

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Robin,

Do you have a particular budget in mind? If it's just about a simple upgrade to play the very odd record, then I would change the cartridge. However, given the rest of your system, that might not satisfy you. Lots of options really if you decide to go better

1) Vintage Idler drive - Thorens TD124, EMT 930 or Garrard 301/401

2) Vintage Direct Drive _ Technics SP10, Micro Seiki, Trio L-07D or EMT 950

3) Suspended Belt drive - LP12, AVID, SME

4) Massy non-suspended Belt Drive - Nottingham, TW Acustic, Verdier, VPI, Scheu, Tom Fletcher

Which you choose depends partly on the siting of your TT - bouncy wooden floor, concrete floor, wall shelf.

Arm/cartridge combinations are too numerous to list. Some of your decision making may boil down to whether you like to and are happy to tweak/set-up turntables or whether you want a fit and forget option. SWMBO may also take a view!

Best wishes,

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I've had hours of brilliant entertainment from Rega TTs. I think a cartridge change (Dyna 10x5) and/or phono stage change (Trichord Dino) would help no end. Finally Robin how many hours has it been running since you fired it up? I should imagine everything might just need to loosen up although Rega's are pretty "plug and play" and maintenance free.

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Thanks Charlie. No shortage of options then.

Lindsay I may well borrow another phono stage as that's an easy option to try. If necessary I can then try another cartridge. If worst came to worst both could be incorporated into a new T/T. Easy does it seems most sensible. Mind you, I reckon this vinyl will become addictive although doubt if I'll buy new stuff. Not a £20 or so a pop.

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Yup, chuck in a Dynavector or a Benz first, then, if that doesn't bring things up to scratch, add the Trichord, though I think you won't need to.

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Looking at an SME 10 + series iv arm wired with silver litz + same for arm cable + ESC modded Denon 103 which Mr Dealer reckons is the bees knees on cartridges without spending a bomb. Comments from vinyl heads appreciated.

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Looking at an SME 10 + series iv arm wired with silver litz + same for arm cable + ESC modded Denon 103 which Mr Dealer reckons is the bees knees on cartridges without spending a bomb. Comments from vinyl heads appreciated.

For that sort of money, have you seen the Scheu Analogue setup for sale in the classifieds? Looks glorious.

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For that sort of money, have you seen the Scheu Analogue setup for sale in the classifieds? Looks glorious.

That's a lovely TT package and after hearing unclepuncles Scheu a few times I would agree its well worth considering.

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Looking at an SME 10 + series iv arm wired with silver litz + same for arm cable + ESC modded Denon 103 which Mr Dealer reckons is the bees knees on cartridges without spending a bomb. Comments from vinyl heads appreciated.

Re: the cartridge, I really dislike them, and I can't see it working in an SME IV anyway - even the fans reckon they need a high mass arm.

I'd look for a Kuzma Stabi / Stogi S and a decent cartridge (Shelter, Ortofon Cadenza, or such).

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